A Q&A with Designer Artist Joshua Longo
Spotlight articles shine a light on designers and design materials we admire. Our founder and principal designer Rebeccah Pailes-Friedman has met many wonderful designers as an educator and career designer, and in our Spotlight interviews we ask them about their work and their design journey. In this interview we spoke with Joshua Longo, an artist and product designer who is currently the Creative Director of Hardgoods at Crate & Barrel. Joshua brings a designer’s strategic thinking as well an artist’s sensitivity to his remarkable work (we also love his Instagram). With a foundation in industrial design from Pratt Institute and a master’s in design research from Drexel University, he harnesses storytelling, innovation, research, and problem-solving to bring human-centered designs to life. His clients and collaborators include familiar names like Anthropologie, Free People, MIT School of Architecture, Adult Swim, and Ralph Lauren. We asked him about balancing art and design, how the two inform one another, how he approaches material selection, and more.
Q: Which came first, the artist, or the designer? Or perhaps it is more complicated than that?
A: This is a lesson in brevity, because I feel like we could spend a half an hour just on this question. I was interested in using my hands and making stuff for as long as I can remember. I knew I wanted to go to art school. I didn’t know about industrial design then, I went for computer graphics. I wanted to be a part of the movie industry and do special effects. I started making with my hands and then drawing.
I wasn’t a star artist. I wasn’t everyone’s most-likely-to-be-Van Gogh. That wasn’t me until I got to college and Foundation kicked my ass at Pratt. After the first semester I switched out of computer graphics because I didn’t want to spend all of my time in front of the computer. I realized that I liked to work with my hands. I stuck with my very difficult drawing teacher, who had a 50% fail rate, and drawing became a passion. To this day I draw every day, all the time. I realized that I want to make stuff and industrial design seemed to be a practical place where I could get a job but also just get an education in making things.
In my junior year I was up for an internship at General Motors. I was in Martin Skalski’s Transportation Design studio. He had a relationship with General Motors, and there were students he preselected beforehand, letting them know, Look out for Josh. Look out for these two other guys. These are the people I recommend for the internship. I didn’t wind up getting the internship. Instead, I spent the summer making stuff. I went home and it was the first summer I didn’t have a job. I started sewing sophomore year, so I had a sewing machine and—if you’ve been through some sort of design curriculum, you understand the rigor of it—you don’t just come off of junior year or Martin Scalski’s class just doing nothing, your brain is going 500 miles an hour. So I wound up working on design and art as if I was still in my regular school practice. I started making sculptures that summer. That’s when sculpture started. It was very rudimentary but that was the beginning of me realizing my own voice through a material process, which could be either design or art. Up until then it was all student projects. That was the beginning.
Q: Some of your sculptures turned into animations and design work for clients. How does your art inform your design and vice versa?
A: It’s something that happened organically at first but then I started applying it as I got older and wiser. This is layered. I always needed a job, because I think it’s important to share for other people who come from blue collar or lower income families that I came from a blue collar family. We didn’t have a lot of money so I always needed a job. I always had to make sure I was paying the rent, no one was going to take care of it for me. So I always had a foot in the industry; whether it was freelance or full-time, I was always working in industrial design or product design.
My first job was at Macy’s, and while I was doing that I was making all this soft stuff because I just felt compelled. I had to do it. There was no not doing it. I had to do it and I did it at night. During the day I would work at my job and then at night and on the weekends, I would spend time making art. Around 2006, people started to take notice. That was also the beginning of social media. I started putting my work out there. I was putting it out on MySpace, Friendster, and then eventually Facebook and Instagram. Once you get one thing, you get some momentum and it snowballs. Then what happened was 10 years of making stuff, promoting myself, small gallery shows, coffee shops, really small. Nothing crazy.
The Creative Director for a company in Germany bought one of my sculptures, and then, five years later, he started a company and he wanted to work with me. Next, I’m doing puppets for a German commercial, getting paid handsomely for maybe a month of work. In actuality it was 10 years of not really making money from the soft sculptures that led to this gig. Since then I have confidence that if I spend a few years on an idea, a family, a style—creating a cohesive visual language—something will happen. I pivoted into illustration later on, I did a bunch of illustration, promoted it, and after a few years Adult Swim contacted me and asked if I could do some animation for them.
There is definitely a time period where you do a bunch of stuff, you make it good enough and, if you promote it, it leads to commercial work. I don’t get as much of that recently because my job is so time-consuming but you just make stuff that you love and eventually get paid for it. Somehow.
Q: Do you ever have nightmares about your creatures?
A: I used to, before I went to therapy regularly. I don’t have go anymore but there was a period in my 30s where I went very regularly. Extreme anxiety and just not dealing with things led to night terrors and waking dreams, walking around. I haven’t in a long time because therapy works.
I’ve been working on these current sculptures for about a year because I’ve moved, done renovations, all that stuff, but the scale is manageable because I can take it with me. So I’ve been working on smaller things that I can work on on the couch if I have an hour. They’re really hand intensive; everything’s hand sewn or handmade and combination materials. My current job-life situation allows for either drawing or small scale sculpture but I would like to get to larger things again.
Q: Could you tell us about your drawing materials and how you select materials for sculpture? Do you have an approach to how you select or work with materials?
A: My drawing is mostly black and white. I do some color drawing here and there but not as often. It’s mostly black and white in sketchbooks. I fill sketchbooks pretty regularly, once a month I’ll fill one, but I have three going at any given time. When it comes to design, it’s usually more structured in that I have to do a collection. We’re trying to hit a certain amount of price points. Wood, metal, etc. I think I have enough manufacturing knowledge in me that, when I start sketching, I’m keeping all of those things in mind as I’m sketching: manufacturing capability, what’s actually possible, gravity, cost.
I’m a figurative sculptor in that I’m making figures. Generally the outcome is going to be a figure of some sort, whether it’s an animal, or a person, or some sort of imagined form of that. I start either with material or with a gesture. It’s one or the other. For example, say I want to play with leather. I wonder, What does that do? So I start boiling leather, I start shaping it, I start backing it, forming it, and then seeing what happens; letting the material dictate the outcome instead of trying to dictate the outcome before I start. For me, it’s the discovery through the play of the material that’s fun. I ask, What can the material do? What expression can it generate? Then I can then play. So the material tells me where to go.
When I was teaching at Drexel, where I got my master’s degree, I spent my time just exploring that, how it can inform a design process given the time and how you don’t always have to start off with the end result. First I let the materials dictate and then I just play. With leather, linen, wood, ceramic…Oftentimes I make pieces and they’ll sit around for years—there are these ceramic heads that I made 10 years ago—and then they finally find a home as I start making other things because I have all these pieces.
I visited Jim Henson on Long Island and it was so amazing to see the Sesame Street studios. There were drawers of eyes, drawers of noses, drawers of hands, drawers of just ties. That was a huge inspiration. I realized, I could do this for my own practice. I don’t have to start and finish. I can just make pieces. Then, as I’m making stuff, I have an alphabet of pieces that lend themselves to my projects.
Q: How do you balance the spontaneity of your creative process with the more structured aspects of industrial design?
A: If I had the luxury of time, I would spend more time designing in the same way I make art. When I make art I create boundaries but I allow myself freedom within those boundaries, whether it’s a medium or even time, it’s allowing yourself x amount of time to play to arrive at a certain conclusion, whether it be a show or commercial product. Especially as I get older, time is the most precious thing. That’s all I want. I just want enough time to get into a flow state and to create without worrying about what the end result will be. That’s wonderful.
The commercial pressure of design, especially as I’ve been doing it a little over 20 years now, the amount of time you get from concept to deliverable has decreased by… I’m going to say 50%. I don’t have an exact number but in my world, it’s insane. It’s super compressed. I manage something like several hundred products a season [at Crate & Barrel] and we do four seasons a year, and there’s just no way to explore an idea that intensely.
That said, sometimes you do get to do design and you get to play and you carve out a certain amount of time for process. I helped integrate AI processes into our current product design, and I carved time out of my schedule to figure that out. That was fun and that it allowed me to play, and then I was supported. Once my bosses and leaders saw what was happening, they allowed me more time and they put their thumb of approval on it, and that allowed me to play more. So, it’s a juggling act.
Q: I’m sure you see students who are struggling to balance their inner artist with their inner designer. As a professor, what advice do you offer students trying to find their voice in the creative industry?
A: This is the question I get asked most by students because whenever I present, I present all sides of my life, personal and commercial work. They ask, How do you do that? Well, I didn’t sleep in my 20s, I have a lot of energy, and I’m naturally obsessive. That’s something I can’t train or encourage, that’s something that’s innate for me. But creating a practice and discipline is something I got from school.
I am someone who gets highly distracted easily and often, and the more structure I have in my day, the better off I am. The minute I go off my own calendar, it’s not good for me. So for me, it’s about simple things that I can control. I keep on a very structured schedule. I brush my teeth. I eat the same thing every day. I am close to one of those people that would wear the same thing every day. There are certain things that I keep highly structured and then, where most people might sit and watch TV, I’ll sit and draw and watch TV. So I do relax. It’s just that I’m usually multitasking. Because let’s say I have a thousand ideas, which is not underselling it. I know, I’m only going to get to 1% of them out, and I can’t stop thinking about them until I put them in the real world. There’s a cycle that happens in my head where if I don’t get an idea out, it will keep on coming up and remind me, Hey, Josh! I love it. It’s also exhausting but if I didn’t do it, I feel like I’d be missing out. We only have one life to live. I’m thinking of Jeff Goldblum quoting George Bernard Shaw and I can’t recall the quote but the essence is that you only have one life to live, why not burn the candle at both ends?
Q: What’s next for Longoland? Can we expect to see your work expand into new mediums or spaces?
A: That’s a great question, and it’s just the question I’m asking myself. I’ve been drawing on cardboard and that’s been fun. The drawings are super simple cartoons.
I’ve been doing Crate & Barrel for five years and I feel like I’ve accomplished what I wanted to accomplish. I’m still excited. I still want to do more. But I’ve accomplished what I set out to accomplish commercially with the brand. Before I started, I had a show at a church. I rented out of church for an evening and had 21 kinetic sculptures that created sound, and a team of 11 or 12 people to help me activate the sculptures. But what I didn’t tell you is that we emptied the church completely and took out all the furniture. So it’s an empty church in Philadelphia, we put 21 sculptures inside, and then we essentially played the church like a giant instrument. Then a month later, I got a job offer from Crate & Barrel, and I was designing pots and pans. So, my artistic practice was heading towards a performative, all encompassing space; creating the entirety of the environment through object-person relationships. I would love to get back to that but I think it would require me to get into a different job setting. It’s not something I can do on the couch.
I believe that making art or design, or whatever you want to commit to truly for yourself, is one of the most enriching and rewarding experiences that a person can have. If you can get past hating what you make. There are a lot of people that can’t get past that, they can’t enjoy the process regardless of the outcome. I’m not working towards a gallery show. I’m not working for acclaim anymore, because I’ve achieved some success. And trust me, it’s nice and I’ll keep on taking it, but it’s not the ultimate goal. Now I want to get to the space where I get to play, and play with stuff with other people.
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